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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2025 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@grumpidoc Glad to hear that the speed change has improved matters; please ‘enquire within’ in the future as someone on the RHH is almost certainly ‘been there -done that’ and will be able t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@grumpidoc Glad to hear that the speed change has improved matters; please ‘enquire within’ in the future as someone on the RHH is almost certainly ‘been there -done that’ and will be able to advise.&#x1f60a; Toodles.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 19:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@toodles @richard24738 and @gary  Just reporting back. It became clear that much of the noise was from the primary pump. We have finally had a visit from the installer who removed some debri...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a style="color: #993366" title="Toodles" href="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/participant/toodles">@toodles</a> <a title="Richard24738" href="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/participant/richard24738">@richard24738</a> and <a title="Gary" href="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/participant/gary">@gary</a>  Just reporting back. It became clear that much of the noise was from the primary pump. We have finally had a visit from the installer who removed some debris from the filter, and turned the Wilo primary pump down from 3 (which gave a flow rate above the recommended on the FTC controller) to 2 which has helped a lot. Even better, my other half - who is usually much more confident and technically minded than me - now feels comfortable that we can further experiment without the risk of causing damage. So thank you all for your very helpful input to a pair of newbies.</p>
<p>I have lots more questions about other aspects of the heat pump, but I think they need to go in a new thread!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hum-whine-from-wilo-circulation-pump/paged/4/#post-41212</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@richard24738 Good to hear you are getting there now, we have a bedroom that gets the most solar gain in the whole house and we resort to a limiting setting on a Hive PTRV to control this.Go...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@richard24738 Good to hear you are getting there now, we have a bedroom that gets the most solar gain in the whole house and we resort to a limiting setting on a Hive PTRV to control this.Good Tweaking, Toodles.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@toodles Just to close this track, my installer was happy with the pump speed adjustments. Primary Grundfos Pump on speed setting 1 and Secondary Wilo on 0.7 cmh. No noise generated by the p...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toodles Just to close this track, my installer was happy with the pump speed adjustments. Primary Grundfos Pump on speed setting 1 and Secondary Wilo on 0.7 cmh. No noise generated by the pumps and all rads are warming up.</p>
<p>I do have a difficulty with the balancing as the upstairs bedrooms and landing are getting a little warmer than I would like. Gradually tightening down the lock shield valves but may need to resort to using the TRV's as maximum limiters.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2025 10:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@richard24738 Fair enough, however please bear in mind that you may reduce the secondary pump further as it is normal to run it slightly lower than the primary pump rate. This is something y...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@richard24738 Fair enough, however please bear in mind that you may reduce the secondary pump further as it is normal to run it slightly lower than the primary pump rate. This is something you might care to try after your installer has looked and made any adjustments if you still have an audible whine / hum from the secondary pipework circuit, (yes I did say ‘lower. than the primary). Regards, Toodles.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2025 10:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@johnr I think I may have missread something somewhere as I now understand that the secondary pump flow rate should be equal to or greater than the primary.
Anyway:
1. I can confirm that m...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johnr I think I may have missread something somewhere as I now understand that the secondary pump flow rate should be equal to or greater than the primary.</p>
<p>Anyway:</p>
<p>1. I can confirm that my noise level was mainly caused by the primary pump and reducing the flow rate to the flow rate recomended by mitsubishi reduced the noise considerably. From 26 Lpm down to 19Lpm</p>
<p>2. I increased the secondary pump flow rate to 1.1Cmh (19Lpm) and achieved the flowing temperatures across the buffer:</p>
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<p>This seems more like what it should be so I am going to leave it at that for now until my installer arrives.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2025 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Richard24738 Thanks for the clarification. I await your conclusion.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard24738 Thanks for the clarification. I await your conclusion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2025 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@johnr Hi. I think I may have missled you in that my buffer is configured in exactly the same way as you describe.
Whats a little bit concerning for me is the drop in temperature between th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johnr Hi. I think I may have missled you in that my buffer is configured in exactly the same way as you describe.</p>
<p>Whats a little bit concerning for me is the drop in temperature between the top two ports meaning from the heat pump flow across the buffer to the radiator circuit. In the example I gave it was from 40.0c to 36.7c = 3.3c difference whereas your example is 32.7 to 30.8c = 1.9c difference.</p>
<p>However, I haven't finished adjusting the secondary pump speed yet so that may make a difference. </p>
<p>Sorry @grumpidoc, we appear to be hijacking your thread. Hope the previous suggestions have helped.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2025 12:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@toodles Thanks. I haven&#039;t forgotten you.
Due to the low outside temperatures, my ecodan is going into anti-freeze at night when the set back means the ecodan idles, and in De-frost mode fo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toodles Thanks. I haven't forgotten you.</p>
<p>Due to the low outside temperatures, my ecodan is going into anti-freeze at night when the set back means the ecodan idles, and in De-frost mode for most of the day. All expected so no issue. However, after each de-frost the ecodan ramps up to recover and this is making temperature readings from the buffer problomatic.</p>
<p>So, at this stage I have focussed on the noise issue and simply reduced the wilo secondary pump speed to the radiators to "can hardly hear it". The Wilo speed dial is still within the recomended range. This noise reduction is especially necessary at night at the moment as both circulator pumps run during the anti-freeze mode, even though the ecodan in set back is idle, to stop the pipes freezing up.</p>
<p>All rads still warm.</p>
<p>I will still monitor the buffer temperatures but wait to draw any conclusions.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: hum/whine from Wilo circulation pump</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hum-whine-from-wilo-circulation-pump/paged/3/#post-40335</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 12:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@richard24738 You had commented above that &quot;I have today placed temperature probes on the buffer 4 ports. The top two pipe readings Primary in 40.0c and out 36.7c. Bottom two pipes Secondary...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@richard24738 You had commented above that "I have today placed temperature probes on the buffer 4 ports. The top two pipe readings Primary in 40.0c and out 36.7c. Bottom two pipes Secondary in 31.9 and out 34.9."</p>
<p>I was trying to highlight that my buffer tank is plumbed in differently. Your secondary circuit flow is through the lower, colder, part of the tank so it will never get as warm as the primary flow in the top of the tank. I've got my secondary circuit flow from the buffer slightly warmer than the return flow to the heat pump. I have to wonder if your buffer tank (and probably plenty of others) is plumbed in sub-optimally.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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