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									Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run - Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/heat-pump-pipes-noisey-and-very-expensive/paged/5/#post-42008</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The ideal r290s are Midea clones (but with ideal controls) made I believe in china.
To the best of my knowledge Mitsubishi and Vaillant assemble heat pumps in the UK.  Both have a good repu...]]></description>
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<p>Related, but slightly off topic, do we know who / where actually makes the ideal heatpumps (in particular the hp290). I would dearly love to "buy British" , but I suspect, as with solar panels, it is not possible. </p>
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<p>The ideal r290s are Midea clones (but with ideal controls) made I believe in china.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge Mitsubishi and Vaillant assemble heat pumps in the UK.  Both have a good reputation (as does ideal in fairness)</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 10:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Related, but slightly off topic, do we know who / where actually makes the ideal heatpumps (in particular the hp290). I would dearly love to &quot;buy British&quot; , but I suspect, as with solar pane...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related, but slightly off topic, do we know who / where actually makes the ideal heatpumps (in particular the hp290). I would dearly love to "buy British" , but I suspect, as with solar panels, it is not possible. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ajbevster 
If it&#039;s fully pushed in yes, better if it also had some tape over the hole to ensure that circulating air didn&#039;t cool down the sensor.
 
You could take it out and test it!  Th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ajbevster </p>
<p>If it's fully pushed in yes, better if it also had some tape over the hole to ensure that circulating air didn't cool down the sensor.</p>
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<p>You could take it out and test it!  There maybe a loose connection somewhere.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@jamespa does this look right?


Think I&#039;m going to have to get someone else out to check it all...]]></description>
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Think I'm going to have to get someone else out to check it all...]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 18:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, or not properly pushed into the pocket on the side of the cylinder.]]></description>
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<p>..could the dhw thermistor be connected in the wrong place?</p>
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<p>Yes, or not properly pushed into the pocket on the side of the cylinder.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Also, I made sure the hot water is on schedule between 11 and 3 pm and it still seems to come on....any ideas why? Something must be orlveriding the settings...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I made sure the hot water is on schedule between 11 and 3 pm and it still seems to come on....any ideas why? Something must be orlveriding the settings... </p>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@jamespa so I&#039;ve tweaked to heat once a day during the midday as we have solar and only tend to use hot water later on in the day. My only issue I&#039;m finding is the system doesn&#039;t seem to rec...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jamespa so I've tweaked to heat once a day during the midday as we have solar and only tend to use hot water later on in the day. My only issue I'm finding is the system doesn't seem to recognise the correct hot water temperature. Whenever I look at the hot water temp it is normally completely off. See attached. It's meant to be set for 46c but ranges from reading 24 to 60.....could the dhw thermistor be connected in the wrong place?</p>
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<p>I know it's not 35 c as it's really hot out the tap</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2025 10:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What&#039;s funny is the heat pump says its only using 21kwh a day but I know our normal use is around 10, so any idea where the remaining 20kwh might be being used?

I have a Logic Air 4kW hea...]]></description>
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<p>What's funny is the heat pump says its only using 21kwh a day but I know our normal use is around 10, so any idea where the remaining 20kwh might be being used?</p>
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<p>I have a Logic Air 4kW heat pump and the CoP numbers reported are a work of fiction. It has been installed since November and the Halo Air is reporting a SCOP of 9.87. The main controller unit reports a different figure (though still wrong AFAICT). I complained to an Ideal engineer when he visited and he fobbed me off saying that all manufacturers' reporting is like that. I have installed my own custom monitoring now to get sensible data out of it.</p>
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<p>The flow and return always seem a little too similar...currently 36 to 33 return.</p>
<p>What should target flow rate be, flow temp and return temp.</p>
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<p>The manual says that the design flow rate for the 10kW model is 28.7 l/m so it sounds like your flow rate is correct. The heat pump uses a fixed flow rate which means the heat pump will control the difference between flow and return temp by modulating the compressor. If the difference gets too small, it will turn off the compressor for a bit. I wouldn't worry about these numbers too much, just tweak the w/c curve until it is achieving your desired temperature.</p>
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<p>How many cycles should I be aiming for over 24 hours.</p>
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<p>There are two kinds of cycles:</p>
<p>1) The room temperature exceeds some threshold and stops the heating demand. With the Halo Air controller, I think the limit is the set point + 1 degree. This limit only exists if you have room influence enabled. If you set the w/c curve correctly this kind of cycling should never or rarely happen.</p>
<p>2) There is still a heating demand from the controller but the compressor turns off because the flow temp is too close to the return temp because it can't modulate low enough. This kind of cycling depends on how well sized the heat pump is to your house and I don't think there is too much you can do about it. The Ideal engineer told me that up to 3 cycles per hour is acceptable in his opinion.</p>
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<p>Is there anything else I'm missing?</p>
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<p>If you have an idea of how much heat in kWh your house needs, you could try to estimate whether your heat pump electricity usage is in the right ballpark.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ideal Logic 10kW Heat Pump Pipes Noisy and Very Expensive to Run</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2025 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Personally I would start with pure WC and hot water scheduled once or twice per day  1-2 hrs depending on your consumption.  If you schedule once per day you might need to adjust the dhw hys...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I would start with pure WC and hot water scheduled once or twice per day  1-2 hrs depending on your consumption.  If you schedule once per day you might need to adjust the dhw hysterisis down from the default to make sure it always reheats.</p>
<p>Once that's working well you can tweak, or not as you choose.  I'm running on pure WC and dhw once per day for 1.5 hrs (hysterisis 3C) but we don't use my dhw.</p>
<p>As to consumption, where do the various figures you quote come from?  I assume your meter and your heat pump.  To answer the question suggest you plot over a couple of weeks to give more insight, then it might be possible to tell.  Spot readings are almost impossible to interpret due to various sources of noise.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2025 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@jamespa any advice on best setting for hot water...like schedule 2 hours long? Everything the halo air says is to leave the hot water demand on constant for most efficient running but it do...]]></description>
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<li>@jamespa any advice on best setting for hot water...like schedule 2 hours long? Everything the halo air says is to leave the hot water demand on constant for most efficient running but it doesn't feel right...we will never use the 300ltr hot water plus 72ltr buffer. Plus I thought that's what the buffer was for so you didn't have to constantly keep the tank hot water high...I feel like I'm nearly there but not quite getting the best out the system. Should I just go for pure weather comp with scheduled hot water and see how it goes? Kwh averaging 50 a day but has been as low as 30. What's funny is the heat pump says its only using 21kwh a day but I know our normal use is around 10, so any idea where the remaining 20kwh might be being used? </li>
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