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                        <title>RE: Heat pump monitoring - what are you using?</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/heat-pump-monitoring-what-are-you-using/paged/5/#post-35355</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[One of the major problems with these types of online projects is that they get hugely over-complicated, making it often impossible for us mere mortals to work out what is going on, or rather...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the major problems with these types of online projects is that they get hugely over-complicated, making it often impossible for us mere mortals to work out what is going on, or rather more often, not going on. I do realise they are run by community volunteers, so good on them for volunteering, but that doesn't remove the impenetrable complexity.</p>
<p>Home Assistant is a classic Marmite, some people love it, others hate it. I found it to be just too complicated, too volatile and temperamental, and I did not often find the community support actually produced useful answers. I do still have it (too lazy to remove it and install some other basic OS on the mini PC that does what your Raspberry pi will do), but I only use it for one or two things, like backups (HA has a good working backup add-on, so why not use it?). The bulk of my monitoring is done using python scripts I wrote. It took a bit of trial and error, but it has now been set up for getting on for 18 months, and is very robust eg the data is in csv files, much easier and more table than in sqlite or some other database, and the whole thing even  restarts itself when the power comes back after a power cut.</p>
<p>I suggest you try HA for a while. You may mind it is just the thing for you! But if it isn't, there are other ways.  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Heat pump monitoring - what are you using?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@cathoderay 
Thanks. 
Yes I use a windows laptop, bought a raspberry pi 4 to install Home Assistant recently which is another learning curve.
There&#039;s a tutorial online at GitHub for the E...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cathoderay </p>
<p>Thanks. </p>
<p>Yes I use a windows laptop, bought a raspberry pi 4 to install Home Assistant recently which is another learning curve.</p>
<p>There's a tutorial online at GitHub for the ESPAltherma that looks complicated , but I can use Google to search for terms I've never heard of, which looking at the tutorial is quite a few. </p>
<p>I'll get there&#x1f44d;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Heat pump monitoring - what are you using?</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/heat-pump-monitoring-what-are-you-using/paged/5/#post-35349</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Given willingness to learn, and assuming basic literacy, numeracy and ability to think logically, don&#039;t be afraid to look at python. It is a fairly high level (by which I mean human readable...]]></description>
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<p>I've no idea into any computer programming but I'm a willing learner. </p>
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<p>Given willingness to learn, and assuming basic literacy, numeracy and ability to think logically, don't be afraid to look at python. It is a fairly high level (by which I mean human readable) programming/scripting language with hundreds if not thousands of packages that can be used to do almost anything. It may well already be on your PC (assuming that is what you use), in use by some other program, but you will need a generic standalone installation to get started. It's not huge. An example of a simple script (found online) that gets the mean for a variable (rows starting with # are comments, the actual script is only four lines):</p>
<pre contenteditable="false"># pandas is a package that does all sorts of data manipulation
# 'as pd' means I can refer to it as 'pd' (as in the 'hp_data = pd.read_csv...' line below)
import pandas as pd

# read data from a CSV file full of heat pump data, first row has variable names
# data ends up in a dataframe called hp_data
hp_data = pd.read_csv('data.csv')

# perform analysis on OAT (outside air temp)
mean = hp_data.mean()
print(f"Mean: {mean}")</pre>
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						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>cathodeRay</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Heat pump monitoring - what are you using?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 09:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Back to the monitoring, 
I&#039;ve just ordered the kit for the ESPAltherma hook up.
I&#039;ve no idea into any computer programming but I&#039;m a willing learner. 
I know it&#039;s not going to be highly a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the monitoring, </p>
<p>I've just ordered the kit for the ESPAltherma hook up.</p>
<p>I've no idea into any computer programming but I'm a willing learner. </p>
<p>I know it's not going to be highly accurate like some off the kits available, but it should give a good baseline to start getting better efficiency because as of now I've no idea how often the heat pump cycles, the Cop/Scop etc as the MMI reading kWh usage is in whole numbers 1.4 would be 1, 1.6 would be 2 etc.</p>
<p>Fingers crossed it goes well&#x1f91e;</p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 11:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@njt As the Cosy peak rate (4-7pm) immediately follows a cheap slot, your battery should be fully charged and at least should avoid importing during the peak.
Further, in cold weather, you ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@njt As the Cosy peak rate (4-7pm) immediately follows a cheap slot, your battery should be fully charged and at least should avoid importing during the peak.</p>
<p>Further, in cold weather, you may be able to set back your temps slightly or adjust your ASHP settings (maybe lower LWT - I'm not familiar with Daikin settings) to just trickle heat into the house at 1kWh thus staying within the capacity of the battery and not allowing the internal temperature to drop significantly, getting you through to the next cheap slot where you can raise the temps again and recharge your batteries. I do this on my Samsung in Weather Compensation mode which allows the target LWT to be easily adjusted up/down by +/- 5C on the controller, setting back the LWT overnight or bumping it up in very cheap Agile slots to deliver more heat at cheaper prices.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Heat pump monitoring - what are you using?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@johnmo I sometimes have to pause and prod myself with a reality check; I inwardly complain that ‘I have to pay 11 pence per kWh for all the grid power I consume!’ Then I think…. but some pe...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@johnmo I sometimes have to pause and prod myself with a reality check; I inwardly complain that ‘I have to pay 11 pence per kWh for all the grid power I consume!’ Then I think…. but some people have to pay two to three times as much for every kWh they use and possibly have much higher demand due to poorly insulated housing and less efficient heating systems. Reflectively, Toodles.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Or just accept sometimes you will use higher rate electric. You should still come out way cheaper than standard rate electric.]]></description>
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<p>suppose I've got to weigh up the cost of additional batteries v cost of hitting the higher Cosy tariff occasionally. </p>
<p></p>
<p>Or just accept sometimes you will use higher rate electric. You should still come out way cheaper than standard rate electric.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Anonymous 5011</dc:creator>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@njt It’s certainly worth doing the sums as even if you use peak rate occasionally it still might not be economically sound to increase your battery size. I have only a 5kWh battery but I ca...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@njt It’s certainly worth doing the sums as even if you use peak rate occasionally it still might not be economically sound to increase your battery size. I have only a 5kWh battery but I can’t make the case to buy another module given the limited months when it isn’t enough.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@toodles 
Thank you for reply. 
I suppose I&#039;ve got to weigh up the cost of additional batteries v cost of hitting the higher Cosy tariff occasionally. 
Although missing the much higher 4p...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toodles </p>
<p>Thank you for reply. </p>
<p>I suppose I've got to weigh up the cost of additional batteries v cost of hitting the higher Cosy tariff occasionally. </p>
<p>Although missing the much higher 4pm to 7pm tariff should be achievable at even the coldest days if my usage isn't too far from yours. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@njt In cold weather, the Daikin might well draw up to 2kW for perhaps 50-60% of the time (at a bit of a guess) gauging by my own usage that is. This suggests to me that your 6.4 kWh battery...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: center">@njt In cold weather, the Daikin might well draw up to 2kW for perhaps 50-60% of the time (at a bit of a guess) gauging by my own usage that is. This suggests to me that your 6.4 kWh battery might well run out. In milder weather, I find the pump runs at about 400. - 500 watts which might be sustainable if the house load is low. Regards, Toodles.</div>]]></content:encoded>
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