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									Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP - Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 08:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hello @outlawuk sorry, I forgot about this, important:if it&#039;s not already done (you didn&#039;t mention though), consider of insulating your cavity walls. This would be a step into the right dire...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello @outlawuk sorry, I forgot about this, important:if it's not already done (you didn't mention though), consider of insulating your cavity walls. This would be a step into the right direction anyway plus that it could save you from replacing radiators.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>LeJamaisContent</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2026 12:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think this is an important point to keep repeating, but perhaps with some context:  
I looked around for independent Heat Pump CSAT reports and came across (for a second time) the Nesta o...]]></description>
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<p>The problem is that the technology still gets judged by the worst installs, and there are unfortunately still enough of those around to keep the scepticism alive. I would argue the numbers of poor installs continue to increase.</p>
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<p>I think this is an important point to keep repeating, but perhaps with some context:  </p>
<p>I looked around for independent Heat Pump CSAT reports and came across (for a second time) the <a href="https://media.nesta.org.uk/documents/Heat_pump_user_survey_report_May_2023.docx.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Nesta</a> one published in 2023, which seems to be the best available.  In summary it says that people are broadly<em> as satisfied with heat pumps as they are with gas boilers</em>, albeit that satisfaction with heat pumps is a bit more polarised.  However the satisfaction with boilers isnt particularly high, only about 70% being either very satisfied or fairly satisfied.  So thats 30% who arent satisfied.  There was no rating 'neither satisfied nor dissatisfied, you had to be one side of the line or the other. </p>
<p>These people, if they have just had a heat pump installed, will attribute their dissatisfaction to the change in technology, not to the fact that this level of satisfaction is (apparently) representative of our heating industry as a whole!</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>JamesPa</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2026 11:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hello Outlaw UK,what a heart-breaking story; very sorry to hear so.It&#039;s a while ago now that you posted, how are you proceeding?Thank you for providing a well-done problem description, which...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Outlaw UK,what a heart-breaking story; very sorry to hear so.It's a while ago now that you posted, how are you proceeding?Thank you for providing a well-done problem description, which lets me think of a possible solution.</p>
<p>However, I would appreciate when @jamespa and @editor would give supervision here; I'm no way sure if my contribution can be helpful.When this was my own system, I would proceed as follows, taking single steps, approaching mostly isolated issues independently.</p>
<p>Any of these steps would provide the installer to an explicit, unequivocal mission without charging him unduly a design risk:As measure zero, I would never ever turn down the hall thermostat for a night setback or the like.</p>
<p>Especially the sandstone part of your house will take three days minimum to acclimatise, during which time you will suffer cold feet. When turning down temperature, the building will take again three days to cool down, providing a good feel of sitting in a dwelling done well, but the bad ending is that it will take three days again to get back to setting point (even with a proper heat pump).</p>
<p>The first thing to do for the installer from my point of view would be to take out that unspeakable combination tank from the heating cycle but, since I am stingy, mean and cheap, leave it as a domestic hot water (DHW) cylinder in place.</p>
<p>A manually (yes!) operated three-way valve would serve either DHW preparation or the heating circle with hot water from the heat pump; such concept normally would be automatically driven by the typical heating control system (which includes a weather compensation as well).</p>
<p>This would mean that, some ten minutes or half an hour before taking a shower, I would have to walk into the boiler room, turn that valve to 'DHW' and, later, back to 'heating' again. Since the heating and I are already thick as thieves, this would be no serious issue and, being a temporal solution, neither.</p>
<p>From this measure I would expect serious progress, in front assuming of course that the cylinder will comply with the pipework modification.</p>
<p>First of all I look forward to finally bring the given 45°C to the emitters, thus adding at least 50% more heating power to the house. When further it would turn out that, in the course, the insubordinate outdoor unit gave up its bucking, this would be a great success and spawn an investigation if the 45°C-ban can lifted from that device and if it can get paired with a third party controller, in which case I would seriously consider to keep the green monster in place.</p>
<p>Otherwise it would be time to give it a bullet and call in the knackerman, while putting an order for a new heat pump including a suitable controller and a motor for the manually driven three-way valve. Since the newish R290-pumps are said to be able to supply high flow temperatures without giving up too much COP, they seem the right choice.Next stage then would be to find out if now, with an employable heat pump at hand, the emitters will do a proper job heating the house on the one hand and not sacrificing too much efficiency on the other. When this, as can be expected, will not be the case, at least it will be easy now planning replacements along the visible deficiencies. And the last step would be to finally lay waste to the room decoration while replacing radiators as necessary.</p>
<p>As can be seen, the worst step is the last one and obsolete when the former moves came out well. These again would be either in the boiler room or outside, not much interfering with the use of the building. And none of that will exceed the complete replacement you seem to plan.</p>
<p>As a timeframe I would start immediately with step one and watch the system working during spring and summer, putting step two in place when autumn comes for to approach winter with a performing heat pump. When in January it turns out that further measures will be necessary, do them in 2027.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>LeJamaisContent</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Mark, I can see why our saga would have put you off.

That said, with the benefit of hindsight, our system really wasn’t a fair reflection of what a heat pump can do. It was a textbook exa...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Mark, I can see why our saga would have put you off.

That said, with the benefit of hindsight, our system really wasn’t a fair reflection of what a heat pump can do. It was a textbook example of a boiler-style install with a heat pump bolted on top. That’s essentially what a lot of those earlier reports captured as well... systems designed and installed at a time when the industry simply wasn’t ready.

Things are better now. Not perfect, but better. The good installers are designing properly (accurate heat loss, correct pipe sizing, proper hydraulics, weather comp as standard) and when you get those fundamentals right, the systems perform very differently.

The problem is that the technology still gets judged by the worst installs, and there are unfortunately still enough of those around to keep the scepticism alive. I would argue the numbers of poor installs continue to increase.

So I’d agree with you on the direction of travel (it is improving) but I’d also say the risk hasn’t disappeared. It’s just shifted. It’s definitely less about "do heat pumps work?" and more about “have you got the right people designing and installing it?”

On the omnibus comment (for anyone scratching their head and not wanting to google it) it’s just an old expression meaning don’t jump from one extreme to the other. In this case, don’t go from "heat pumps are the answer to everything" to "they’re all useless", or the other way round. The truth sits somewhere in the middle.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Just remember not to travel on the other omnibus. Google that :)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Just remember not to travel on the other omnibus. Google that :)]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mark Spencer-Smith</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It was reading about Mars&#039; woes with his Caenarfon pump that put me off ASHPs when I refurbed my bungalow. Between that and the, I think 2012?, report on ASHP real installation efficacy that...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It was reading about Mars' woes with his Caenarfon pump that put me off ASHPs when I refurbed my bungalow. Between that and the, I think 2012?, report on ASHP real installation efficacy that has fuelled a lot of heatpumpaphobia. I think much of the current distrust stems from these older reports.
And probably rightly so. The industry as a whole was woefully inadequate but is improving.
I've recently re-evaluated what's on offer and clearly the current generation are significantly better, especially with retrofits. Skills seem to be improving as the old 80c-26kw-and-done gang retire.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mark Spencer-Smith</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Global Energy Systems Thurso ASHP</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2026 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the update Alexander, and I&#039;m glad that you&#039;re getting things sorted out. Hopefully your system will soon be performing the way it should. Keep tabs on it just make sure things ar...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks for the update Alexander, and I'm glad that you're getting things sorted out. Hopefully your system will soon be performing the way it should. Keep tabs on it just make sure things are working and that you're happy with the performance. Keep us updated.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2026 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Following contact with Global Energy Systems they sent out one of their engineers to meet our expert to discuss our system. Multiple defects were found with the installation and engineering ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Following contact with Global Energy Systems they sent out one of their engineers to meet our expert to discuss our system. Multiple defects were found with the installation and engineering solutions were agreed between our expert and GES including a settings change that stopped the error alarms immediately. To clarify the installation was carried out by the original developer of our house along with their plumber, GES didn't carry out design install or commissioning of this install they supplied the unit only direct to the developer. GES have supported us and our expert over the last couple of weeks and we feel much better equipped to improve our system going forward.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Alexander Matthews</dc:creator>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2026 08:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@judith thank you . 
i will get quotes in Feb. I found installer that does vallant and one that likes mitsu. Just want to get this rubbish heat pump removed.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@judith thank you . <br /><br /></p>
<p>i will get quotes in Feb. I found installer that does vallant and one that likes mitsu. Just want to get this rubbish heat pump removed. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>gingervitis</dc:creator>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2026 11:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I’d choose Vaillant of the two too. We heard too many sorry tales locally from people who couldn’t control their Samsung well. You’ll find them on here too.
But Vaillant controls are excell...]]></description>
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<p>I will get heat loss dine &amp; already have a installer lined up</p>
<p>they have recommeded vallant and Samsung</p>
<p></p>
<p>I’d choose Vaillant of the two too. We heard too many sorry tales locally from people who couldn’t control their Samsung well. You’ll find them on here too.</p>
<p>But Vaillant controls are excellent even if you need a bit of time to get used to them, the app has made it much easier too</p>
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