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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;d appreciate anyone&#039;s thoughts on this, having read in one or two posts (I now can&#039;t find...) that longer hoses can reduce/eliminate vibrations travelling through the primary pipework else...]]></description>
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<p>What's the optimal / minimum length and shape of flexihoses (and why, if not for best performance and least vibration)?</p>
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<p>I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this, having read in one or two posts (I now can't find...) that longer hoses can reduce/eliminate vibrations travelling through the primary pipework elsewhere.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes.  Where would the optimal position and method of stepping down?  I assume nearest the unit, so at the unit&#039;s inlet/outlet - but not sure how.
 

Thank you.
 

From the BES componen...]]></description>
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<p>28mm pipework should run as far as you can take it into the house - you need volume of water in the system to cover defrosts.</p>
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<p>Yes.  Where would the optimal position and method of stepping down?  I assume nearest the unit, so at the unit's inlet/outlet - but not sure how.</p>
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<p>You protect the outside pipework and the pump <em>either</em> by having glycol so the water can just sit at very cold temperatures, <em>or</em> you circulate the warm water in the pipes to keep the outside parts from freezing – the anti-freeze valves are a fail-safe should you be unable to power the water circulation. You would not want to be dumping glycol.</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
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<p>Full bore valves <em>are</em> isolating valves...</p>
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<p>From the BES component diagram in the OP (relevant section below), it shows 'isolator valves' and 'full bore valves' - though, having just looked at it again, I've just noticed the isolator valves are inside the property:</p>
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<p>The isolator valves I mentioned describing my install are Inta lever ball valves - I assume these should be full bore to maximise flow rate and be positioned as the primary pipework exits the brickwork outside?  Is there any value in having a second set at the unit's inlet/outlet too?</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I’d consider my system to be installed quite optimally… I have one anti freeze valve, no flexis, and over 20m of buried primary pipework.
I also don’t have any hydraulic separation, and I h...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d consider my system to be installed quite optimally… I have one anti freeze valve, no flexis, and over 20m of buried primary pipework.</p>
<p>I also don’t have any hydraulic separation, and I have 400mm clear to the rear of the evaporator.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2024 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think this notion of an &#039;optimal&#039; install is something of a chimera. Every installation is different, and the majority of forum users have experience of just the one installation. From wha...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this notion of an 'optimal' install is something of a chimera. Every installation is different, and the majority of forum users have experience of just the one installation. From what you have said (though images are worth a thousand words) your installation seems to be fine, the installers haven't done anything stupid.</p>
<p>If you are having vibration issues at the heat pump then it might be an equipment issue rather than a pipework issue. I have noise inside introduced by the circulation pumps, but only small amounts of occasional mechanical noise and the sound of the air being moved from the outside unit. The units weigh around 100kg so you wouldn't want any slight vibration to be converted into sound or transmitted to the rigid, fixed pipework, but they aren't going to move around like washing machines.</p>
<p>You ask a few questions:</p>
<p>28mm pipework should run as far as you can take it into the house - you need volume of water in the system to cover defrosts.</p>
<p>You protect the outside pipework and the pump <em>either</em> by having glycol so the water can just sit at very cold temperatures, <em>or</em> you circulate the warm water in the pipes to keep the outside parts from freezing – the anti-freeze valves are a fail-safe should you be unable to power the water circulation. You would not want to be dumping glycol.</p>
<p>Full bore valves <em>are</em> isolating valves...</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@sunandair hi, it&#039;s the current PUZ R32 range.  There&#039;s a diagram in the Mitsubishi Ecodan Databook.  I&#039;ve attached a screenshot (see top left corner)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sunandair hi, it's the current PUZ R32 range.  There's a diagram in <span style="text-decoration: underline">the</span> Mitsubishi Ecodan Databook.  I've attached a screenshot (see top left corner)</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[hi SKD,
What model are you referring to please? The R32 only refers to the refrigerant. I’ve posted here the data sheet for the current r32 models and the clearance quoted is a minimum of 3...]]></description>
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<p>@derek-m it's 140mm.   Mitsubishi recommends minimum 100mm for the Ecodan R32.</p>
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<p>hi SKD,</p>
<p>What model are you referring to please? The R32 only refers to the refrigerant. I’ve posted here the data sheet for the current r32 models and the clearance quoted is a minimum of 300mm at the back of the product. Where did you see 140mm?</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes that&#039;s right. I remember reading about this when we were ordering ours.  The 5kW has a smaller enclosure than the 6, 8.5 and 11.2kW versions.  Our enclosures are 150mm deeper than the 5k...]]></description>
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<p>Correct, however the lowest, 5kW model oddly needs 300mm!</p>
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<p>Yes that's right. I remember reading about this when we were ordering ours.  The 5kW has a smaller enclosure than the 6, 8.5 and 11.2kW versions.  Our enclosures are 150mm deeper than the 5kW and have a larger internal air volume. The 5kW is similar in depth to the earlier Ecodans which also required 300mm at the rear.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Ecodan - optimal external installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Probably both.
The heat pump requires a good flow of &#039;fresh&#039; air through the evaporator coils, which are located at the rear and one side of the unit. Noise levels can be affected by distan...]]></description>
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<p>Correct, however the lowest, 5kW model oddly needs 300mm!</p>
<p>@derek-m, would you think a larger distance is practical for performance or noise reasons?</p>
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<p>Probably both.</p>
<p>The heat pump requires a good flow of 'fresh' air through the evaporator coils, which are located at the rear and one side of the unit. Noise levels can be affected by distance as well as nearby surfaces.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[When would an install require full-bore valves if isolator valves are in place?
Can full-bore valves provide that 28mm-&gt;22mm conversation?  If not, how would it be best done?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When would an install require full-bore valves if isolator valves are in place?</p>
<p>Can full-bore valves provide that 28mm-&gt;22mm conversation?  If not, how would it be best done?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Assume 28mm should be run right up to the unit&#039;s water inlet+outlet connectors where possible?  Do flexihoses come with 28mm at one end and 22mm at the other (unit) end?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume 28mm should be run right up to the unit's water inlet+outlet connectors where possible?  Do flexihoses come with 28mm at one end and 22mm at the other (unit) end?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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