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                        <title>RE: Newbie: utterly confused with my Mitsubishi Zubadan air source heat pump running on 55C set flow temperature</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@dgclimatecontrol Thanks... this was resolved back in March/April.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@dgclimatecontrol Thanks... this was resolved back in March/April.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Newbie: utterly confused with my Mitsubishi Zubadan air source heat pump running on 55C set flow temperature</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;ll bring on electric back up heaters if at 55C as they&#039;ll work quicker in the winter. Not sure about old ME units but Daikin had a 6 or 9kW back up! often working to start the system off ...]]></description>
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<p class="p1"><span class="s1">Hello! I’m new here and looking for a bit of advice. I’ve been waking at 4 in the morning stressing about our energy usage, googling until my eyes cross and this eventually led me here.</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">We’ve just moved from a Grant oil boiler to a Mitsubishi Zubadan ASHP. </span><span class="s1">We have Polypipe underfloor heating throughout the whole house. The only radiator is a towel rail in the bathroom.</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">With the old boiler we’d have a setback temperature 2 or 3 degrees lower than the desired temp and just have the rooms heating when we wanted them to be warm. The manifold temp was set to 50 upstairs and 53 downstairs (concrete pad and takes longer to heat). </span></p>
<p><span class="s1">I understand that the recommended setting for ASHP is just to have them on continually so we’ve now just set a target temperature for each room with a 0.5 degree setback.</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">However, since the HP was installed we’ve seen electric consumption pretty much quadruple and I’m worried we’re not setting something correctly. </span><span class="s1">This week has been cold so maybe this is causing extra pressure.</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">The installers set the flow temp to 55 degrees. I immediately lowered this to 50 as I understood that an air pump needs to be lower to benefit from the efficiency. I’m now thinking it’s just running a lot of the time and electricity usage is therefore rocketing.</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">Is it better to set it to a 55 degree flow temperature and let it heat up rooms a little quicker and not be heating as continually. Or is it better to be running more at a lower temperature?</span></p>
<p><span class="s1">Does that make sense? If there’s any other information I can supply, I’d happily do this.</span></p>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1"> </span></p>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1"> </span></p>
  It'll bring on electric back up heaters if at 55C as they'll work quicker in the winter. Not sure about old ME units but Daikin had a 6 or 9kW back up! often working to start the system off then being taken over by the HP.  You need it setting to 40C max and leave it on, if bills high or not warm enough its the installation.
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                        <title>RE: Newbie: utterly confused with my Mitsubishi Zubadan air source heat pump running on 55C set flow temperature</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@davidnolan22 Hi..! We&#039;ve only just turned on the heating again following the summer but it&#039;s not overly concerning right now. It&#039;s cycling a little but we&#039;re getting COPs of between 3.5 and...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@davidnolan22 Hi..! We've only just turned on the heating again following the summer but it's not overly concerning right now. It's cycling a little but we're getting COPs of between 3.5 and 4. I'll keep my eye on it as the weather gets colder.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Newbie: utterly confused with my Mitsubishi Zubadan air source heat pump running on 55C set flow temperature</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2025 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Is there any update on this system? How&#039;s it running now?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any update on this system? How's it running now? </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Newbie: utterly confused with my Mitsubishi Zubadan air source heat pump running on 55C set flow temperature</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/newbie-utterly-confused/paged/15/#post-45196</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 19:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@sandman1600 
you need to measure whats going on really before you make loads of changes. If you can measure the temp of the flow and return to and from each manifold when the pump is runni...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sandman1600 </p>
<p>you need to measure whats going on really before you make loads of changes. If you can measure the temp of the flow and return to and from each manifold when the pump is running in steady state and see if it’s different from the primary flows on the mitshi controls.</p>
<p>if the delta t of the primary is still 2-3, but the delta t at the manifolds is more, then you need to open up the secondary flows more. But if it’s the same, the you probably need to play with pump speeds and slow the water down so it can transfer some heat.  But, and it’s a big bit. You don’t know if you’ve you 10 or 25 litres a minute going through the secondary side.  The problem can be of you say only have 15 litres a minute going through the house, then 7-10 litres just go straight back to the heat pump via the buffer. This narrows the delta t and shuts the pump off. </p>
<p>You ideally need the same flow on the secondary side as the primary, which is a pain to know with a buffer.  I’ve got a low loss header which is a pain in the ass and I’d love the installer to bypass it </p>
<p>I remember you saying all the pumps were on max, I doubt you need them all on max, but it’s best to try to measure whats going on.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 17:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@gary The tank is 210 litres. I work from home as a baker so I can use a lot of water during the day but using the old MegaFlo and oil boiler, we never seemed to run out of (REALLY..!) hot w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@gary The tank is 210 litres. I work from home as a baker so I can use a lot of water during the day but using the old MegaFlo and oil boiler, we never seemed to run out of (REALLY..!) hot water so maybe you have a point. It's certainly something we can take a look at. Thanks!]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks James, this is still something on the to-do list. I know there&#039;s more diagnostics to be done. I was just hoping the new pump would stabilise things a little so the immediately worseni...]]></description>
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<p>I suggested he putting some temp sensors on the buffer ports to understand whats going on, for me thats the most likely next step.  Unfortunately I think installers see buffers as the <em>solution</em> to all problems involving potential mismatches between heat pump and heating system, as opposed to the <em>cause</em> of a high proportion of the problems reported on this forum.</p>
<br /><br />Thanks James, this is still something on the to-do list. I know there's more diagnostics to be done. I was just hoping the new pump would stabilise things a little so the immediately worsening COP had me jumpy.
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 17:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks. I still need to check this out. It&#039;s taken all my mental capacity to wrap my head around the heat pump. So it should be as simple as just adjusting the flow rate on each circuit on t...]]></description>
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<p>the reason why cop is bad is the delta t's on the primary circuit are small, so its not giving out much energy by the mitshi calculations.  nobody knows what the delta t's are at the manifolds or on the secondary side. but, it sounds like the heat pump team think their responsibly stops at the buffer. they might be right. if you've got delta t's of 2 at the manifolds, then someone needs to slow the water down and look at total system volume. no one knows what the flows through the house are. is the flow rate still 28?</p>
<p><br /><br />Thanks. I still need to check this out. It's taken all my mental capacity to wrap my head around the heat pump. So it should be as simple as just adjusting the flow rate on each circuit on the manifold to lower it..? Is it best to try this a bit at a time to see how it goes? And then how do I judge if it's helping things? Just from the COP?<br /><br />Flow rate according to the Mitsubishi panel currently is between 21 and 23.<br /><br />Honestly I don't think there's much point in me questioning this with the people that installed the pump. They seem to have a very limited, narrow field of knowledge and no overall understanding. One actually admitted he'd never worked on an underfloor heating system before. </p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[[quote data-userid=&quot;6617&quot; data-postid=&quot;44648&quot;
The DHW COP is the worst we&#039;ve had yet strangely. And there were no big drains on the water yesterday. It&#039;s like it&#039;s heating less frequently b...]]></description>
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<p>The DHW COP is the worst we've had yet strangely. And there were no big drains on the water yesterday. It's like it's heating less frequently but having to use more energy to heat when it does kick in. I'll give it a few more days to see what it performs like.</p>
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<p>How large is your tank you have reheat set at 5Cish depending on how much water you use you may not need to reheat.  Ignore what the tank temp is reading there could still be plenty of hot water available.  If you run a tap for a bit it could cause a reheat that will be very inefficient to raise it 5C.</p>
<p>We only heat overnight for 90 mins at 00.00 lasts all day even if the tank says it’s 20C there is still plenty of hot water for bath at 6.30</p>
<p>We only have the hot water schedule set for 2 hours 00.00 to 02.00 so it can’t reheat.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 07:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I must say Im also coming to the conclusion that there is a problem of this nature.  OP has optimised the initially high flow temperature and its now reasonably low (given that there is, sad...]]></description>
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<p>the reason why cop is bad is the delta t's on the primary circuit are small, so its not giving out much energy by the mitshi calculations.  nobody knows what the delta t's are at the manifolds or on the secondary side. but, it sounds like the heat pump team think their responsibly stops at the buffer. they might be right. if you've got delta t's of 2 at the manifolds, then someone needs to slow the water down and look at total system volume. no one knows what the flows through the house are. is the flow rate still 28?</p>
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<p>I must say Im also coming to the conclusion that there is a problem of this nature.  OP has optimised the initially high flow temperature and its now reasonably low (given that there is, sadly, an almost certainly unnecessary buffer).  Thus, like you, I suspect that water flows are wrong.  I suggested he putting some temp sensors on the buffer ports to understand whats going on, for me thats the most likely next step.  Unfortunately I think installers see buffers as the <em>solution</em> to all problems involving potential mismatches between heat pump and heating system, as opposed to the <em>cause</em> of a high proportion of the problems reported on this forum.</p>
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