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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/3/#post-1457</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2021 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@editor Mars the worlds largest V2G trial has been running through Octopus Energy and a number of suppliers
It uses Nissan Leafs and a wall box called Power Loop I think  but as stated above...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@editor Mars the worlds largest V2G trial has been running through Octopus Energy and a number of suppliers https://octopus.energy/blog/vehicle-to-grid/</p>
<p>It uses Nissan Leafs and a wall box called Power Loop I think  but as stated above, it’s only Chademo connector that works  CCS being developed, but a few years away.  My Honda e us V2G capable, but need to CCS protocol and compatible wall box.  and for V2G wall boxes to come down in price  - they are more than £3k currently </p>
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						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>JulianC</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/3/#post-1452</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2021 06:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s happening in the UK too. A trial with Ovo energy and Nissan.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's happening in the UK too. A trial with Ovo energy and Nissan.</p>
<p>https://www.ovoenergy.com/electric-cars/vehicle-to-grid-charger</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Kev M</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/3/#post-1449</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2021 21:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Mars, 
I posted some time ago about that community in Utrecht that was doing just that, using their EV&#039;s as battery storage.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mars, </p>
<p>I posted some time ago about that community in Utrecht that was doing just that, using their EV's as battery storage.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Derek M</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/3/#post-1448</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2021 20:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks @foggy – I was coming at it from a PV battery perspective. I can&#039;t make the numbers work. The batteries are expensive, with a life of less than 10 years. From an ROI perspective, it&#039;s...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @foggy – I was coming at it from a PV battery perspective. I can't make the numbers work. The batteries are expensive, with a life of less than 10 years. From an ROI perspective, it's just not worth it, in my opinion.</p>
<p>EV is slightly different in that this is transportation and you'll be saving on fuel. We hardly ever use our car, and even less since Covid struck, so it'll make sense to get an EV that can double up as a home battery - the economics makes a lot more sense, provided that it doesn't impact too much on the battery life.  </p>
<p>Is V2G available/working anywhere in the world right now?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/3/#post-1397</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 08:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[If want to wait for mainstream V2G to join the EV revolution, it looks like you might be waiting for a few years yet.
Just a bit more on battery degradation, as I didn&#039;t want to seem like i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If want to wait for mainstream V2G to join the EV revolution, it looks like you might be waiting for a few years yet.</p>
<p>https://insideevs.com/news/342354/charin-ccs-combo-standard-to-offer-v2g-by-2025/</p>
<p>Just a bit more on battery degradation, as I didn't want to seem like it doesn't happen. Like any component in a car, they are subject to wear and tear and they will slowly lose capacity as they age, but this lose has been much lower than originally expected. Plus most EV batteries are covered with long warranties.</p>
<p>A lot of the issues regarding battery degradation comes from peoples experience of mobile phone and laptop batteries. L<span class="js-about-item-abstr">ithium-ion </span>batteries are notorious for their lack of longevity in these kinds of devices, so when people see that this is the same type of battery that is fitted to cars, then there is the worry that they behave in the same way. The <span class="js-about-item-abstr">lithium-ion </span>batteries fitted in cars have a different chemistry makeup to your phone battery as the environment they work in is completely different.</p>
<p>If your current car usage would support a shorter range, small car, then there are now plenty of cheaper used Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe and BMW i3 to dip your toe in the water of EV ownership, until V2G comes along.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>foggy</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/2/#post-1387</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks @foggy and welcome to the forums. An EV is definitely on the cards, and we may hold off till V2G is available, as that would make a lot of financial sense. 
 
Thanks for the rundown...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @foggy and welcome to the forums. An EV is definitely on the cards, and we may hold off till V2G is available, as that would make a lot of financial sense. </p>
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<p>Thanks for the rundown and explanation on battery degradation. That would be my biggest concern about EVs because replacement costs will be very high.  </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/2/#post-1383</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I have been driving an EV for 5 years, and V2G seems to be one of the technologies that is always &#039;Coming Soon&#039;.
I don&#039;t think a lot of the current EV&#039;s that have the CCS connectors are cap...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been driving an EV for 5 years, and V2G seems to be one of the technologies that is always 'Coming Soon'.</p>
<p>I don't think a lot of the current EV's that have the CCS connectors are capable of doing V2G. As CCS is the standard for rapid charging on most new EV's, it is a technology that is still a while off.</p>
<p>As for the concern over battery degradation, don't worry about it. The industry was very naturally cautious when mainstream EV's were launched about 10 years ago, as the battery technology was a bit of an unknown quantity. The Nissan Leaf did suffer with some issues because it has a battery that has no active cooling/heating. In most other EV's, the battery temperatures are actively managed so it is not much of an issue.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>foggy</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/2/#post-1143</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 20:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@julianc, the price of being early adopters is always so punishing.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julianc, the price of being early adopters is always so punishing. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/2/#post-1123</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2021 08:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Totally agree Mars. That’s why I haven’t invested in a battery. I can’t make the numbers work. But V2G is a different story. Although the V2G charger units are very expensive at the moment -...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree Mars. That’s why I haven’t invested in a battery. I can’t make the numbers work. But V2G is a different story. Although the V2G charger units are very expensive at the moment - £5.5k or so</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>JulianC</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Electric vehicles</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/electric-vehicles/paged/2/#post-1121</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2021 08:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@julianc, very interesting. The V2G solution seems sensible because as opposed to spending £10k on batteries, that money could go towards a car.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julianc, very interesting. The V2G solution seems sensible because as opposed to spending £10k on batteries, that money could go towards a car. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/energy-storage/">Energy Storage</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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